Should the US Accept IMF intervention?
During the Asian Financial Crisis in the 1990's, the International Monetary Fund injected $20 billion into the South Korean financial market with the expressed warning not to bailout failing banks or businesses. With IMF oversight and financial backing South Korea was able to emerge from its financial crisis, but not without some major overhaul of their government-backed business model. The US now is in deep financial trouble, and what it once told South Korea to do, it is doing the opposite. The US is also running out of money. The IMF and the World Bank, usually assisting Third World Nations and Developing Nations, stand by ready to help, though they will make it clear, bailing out ailing companies is not the long-term solution to problems. Should the US accept IMF and World Bank intervention? If so, will it have to allow certain businesses to fail? Can the new USSRA (United States Socialist Republic of America) afford to privatize profits and socialize losses? http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/17/business/rescue.php http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-brooks18-2008sep18,0,7282720.column
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We may have no choice. The money is running out. The government only has so much cash, and has borrowed so much money, it many never be able to pay it back.
Saturday, August 28, 2010
Saturday, August 14, 2010
Why do Americans have such a twisted, manipulated view of Socialism?
Why do Americans have such a twisted, manipulated view of Socialism?
I asked the question why Socialist countries are surveyed as the happiest in the world, and I got this response: "So you admit Obama is a Socialist and violating is Oath of office by changing the country? Anyhow, Denmark along with the Netherlands are a Democracy, and Constitutional Monarchy! Here is a CURRENT list of socialist countries and I'm sure they would argue with your uneducated question/statement. The People's Republic of China Cuba North Korea...you can't tell me those people are happy! Vietnam" Okay, This is what I find extremely strange? Because those countries are Communist. I live in Australia, which elected the Australian Labor Party which has it's official ideology is Democratic Socialism. Norway is under the Norwegian Labor Party which also has it's official ideology as Socialism. (It's also the second wealthiest country in the world, after Luxembourg) Spain, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, Italy, South Africa, Japan, Luxembourg are also under Socialist governments. Along with dozens of other Socialist governments. Communism and Socialism are related, But Communism is an extreme ideology that I don't approve of, and I don't think works at all. But whenever an American thinks of the world socialism, they think of some tyrannical authoratian rule? You can do whatever you want in Australia, you just have to pay higher taxes. I come from a middle/upper-class family, and I very much enjoy my life, I don't directly benefit from Socialism. (except from having better schools, hospitals, roads, healthcare, less income inequality, less poverty and less homeless people) I just believe it's ridiculous that people can make $45,000,000 a year sitting behind a desk in some corporation. Whilst some people don't even have a bed to sleep in. And im not saying people shouldnt be allowed to make $45,000,000. They should just be taxed far higher and that money should be distributed to those who have none. And Socialism doesnt make people lazy, Australias unemployment rate is half that of the USA. So you can't say Socialism makes people lazy and leech off welfare, it just helps close the gap between the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor. And, since almost every country is socialist now. There are very poor socialist countries (Venuzuela), and the two richest countries in the world are also socialist (Norway, Luxembourg). So I dont think it has much to do with overall wealth, more so of just how that wealth is distributed within that society. _____________________ The United States has one of the widest rich-poor gaps of any high-income nation today, and that gap continues to grow. In recent times, some prominent economists including Alan Greenspan have warned that the widening rich-poor gap in the U.S. population is a problem that could undermine and destabilize the country's economy and standard of living stating that "The income gap between the rich and the rest of the US population has become so wide, and is growing so fast, that it might eventually threaten the stability of democratic capitalism itself". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living_in_the_United_States
Politics - 25 Answers
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1 :
We got a saying around here.... 'Get used to it Hitler.' Now stop crying.
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Define happiness. and ya don't see a lot of happy people these days with this stupid, controlling and Marxist commie HC bill, now do ya?
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Republican brain washing runs deeply in the country.
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Why do you care? Stop trying to change politics here. We are too smart for you. If you want to run Australia into the ground then by all means GO AT IT! But leave us Americans alone. Many Americans have come from socialist countries and know what it's like. How the hell do you accurately measure "happiness" anyways? Sounds like a load of Bullsh!t.
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You wrote: "And im not saying people shouldnt be allowed to make $45,000,000. They should just be taxed far higher and that money should be distributed to those who have none." No they f*cking shouldn't be taxed at a higher rate. No money should be [re]distributed.
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The way I see it, socialism should be like religion. You're either socialist or you don't want to be. Most Americans don't want to be. Most Australians do. I don't see any problems.
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boy oh boy oh boy oh boy... YOU'RE gunna end up with more people who hate you than I have people who hate me ... for having an Aussie Opinion on Anything American... BUT ... It's ok .. I am sure you've come across enough US citizens who are more knowledgeable ... some DO know the difference.. some will agree with you .. BUT there's gunna be a hell of a lot that will take offense Good Luck :)
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Americans do not actually understand that what we label as the left is actually in the center of the world political view.
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Go you for being informative. Thanks for all the facts :) Bad capitalist examples exist. Does anyone remember ZAIRE?
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Leftover fears from the Cold War. Anything socialist or communist was the enemy and needed to be destroyed. That's why Americans never held their government responsible for the atrocities they funded and committed in South America under Reagan.
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Daniel, you are a fool. I think it covers it all after hussein's closest adviser al sharp-thong statement that "Americans have overwhelmingly voted for socialism", and after Demon-c-RAT John Dingle stated the next urgent goal of his fuhrer's administration - "TO CONTROL PEOPLE". May dear Lord give you, hussein soturo and his goons ALL they and YOU so richly deserve...
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it goes back to the 1920's when propaganda caused people to hate "reds" by the way, there are no existing communist countries in the world, NKorea, China, and Cuba are Socialist Republics, with communist parties in power
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Because we are suppose to be free to do what we want as long as we don't hurt a person while doing it. I am a Libertarian. I oppose socialism because there is no freedom in it. Plus it is bankrupting Greece. http://www.lp.org/
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Socialism ends up wasting money, its starting to crush Europe even Spain is in trouble
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Simply because the following people were strong, passionate supporter of socialism (just like the president and his gang) Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Sadam Hussein, Karl Marx...should I go on?
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While I certainly agree with most of your claims. I am not a wide socialist in that view. I don't like the wealthy upper classes being in command while the poorer classes suffer. But I don't like the government in all our private lives and that tends to happen in Socialism. Also I don't believe in giving money to people who are poor simply because they refuse to work. If someone say has been laid off and is actively seeking work then sure he can file for monetary help. But some socialist theology is everyone get wealthy and do no work. I firmly believe in work for what you get and have a strong work ethic while enjoying freedom from big government. Again many Socialist theology I agree with, I just don't believe in government everyone and giving out money to everyone even if they don't work for anything.
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Socialism is an economic and/or social system. Communism/Democracy/Monarchy/Republic/etc. is a governmental system. Most of Europe is Socialist-Capitalist. Their economic drivers are Capitalist. Their Social systems are Socialist. The US is a Capitalist society with a Constitutional Republic as a government system. Different countries have different ways of doing things. Trying to compare a country like the US with say, France is ridiculous. The sheer difference in population diversity in the US, combined with the numbers of citizens is so vastly different. Not to mention the massive amounts of money we spend on things like defense that many of those other countries just don't have to. Tell me, what's Norway's Army been doing lately? Or Luxembourg's? Trying to compare the US with any other country is impossible. The best way to compare it would be to say, take all of Europe and add in North Africa and half of the Middle East. And then come up with a system of functioning. GO!
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Well you've got to remember that the American public at large is rather ignorant, in the 50's and the 60's we had "better red then dead" slogans and we've been bred to see things in a certain way, unfortunately with the Red-neck right wing the minute you talk about "sharing" or "spreading the wealth" to help less fortunate of course! They will scrounge what they can from there voter base and attempt to stop anything that would help people in bad economic situations, and sadly enough its all older white men, but i digress, back to socialism, the system itself for socialism is quite effective if you look at other social countries such as you've noted, unfortunately most americans fail to see this and will cling to older beliefs in an attempt to stop any form of change, also i might add that people from the european (and in your case based from Britain) countries you've got more a lean toward what we americans would refer to as "liberal" and the "left" even the most "Conservative" from Britain and australia would be either leaning left or "liberal" in the US, we have this foolish voter base of ignorant Christians and Red-necks who want things to stay the way they are even when they are inherently broken! One thing id love to mention i show the right wing spouts "SOCIALISM!!!! OMG!!!" like its a plague or something, Obama is in-fact somewhat close to socialistic in ideology, but this IS NOT a bad thing!!!! most people just don't get it, as long as the government is regulated to within certain rights and taxes are a bit higher, does that truly matter if your supplied with health care? and people being helped by the government to have better lives? I understand the fears of "1984" which have been brought up in many circumstances, but this does not make it true, most the things we hear about in america when the media refers to countries with "socialized medicine" is bullshit that the Right wing happens to push.
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Why do socialists demand access to everything and accept responsibility for nothing? You say that you are from a relatively wealthy stratum of society. Your words would be more impressive if you'd been born in a ghetto and become a successful professional. You are what people call a "champagne socialist." Tony Blair and Anthony Wedgwood Benn of the British Labour Party were too. If one has no fear of losing ones own security, one can afford to be magnanimous toward "the poor." Working people, who suffer from taxation, are acutely aware of neighbours who live off the dole. That is why conservatism is by no means limited to the upper classes, and that is why Margaret Thatcher was so successful. Lastly, socialism is closely identified with trade unionism - an institution that long ago had validity but today is no more than legalized extortion. In reality, Unions are corporations in the advocacy business and whatever gains they make for their members, they always make greater gains for themselves. Other than that, I think socialism is just peachy.
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Socialism and its nastier sister Communism have never been successful anywhere. ONLY a Market based Economy-capitalism(where there's incentive to develop and take risks...) with limited government intervention such as the USA have been successful. The USA, contrary popular belief is NOT a Democracy, but is in fact a Constitutional Republic. Let's get back to the Constitution specifically, the 10th Amendment on clarity on how Obama and botox woman overstepped the amendment and created Tyranny of The Majority.
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Hard facts about the EU vs USA http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf The Sweden Myth http://mises.org/daily/2259 Those are the facts. “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.†Winston Churchill
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As some others have pointed out, the USA has been a capitalist hegemony since the early 90's, and ceaseless anti-socialist propaganda has removed almost all traces of political openness from the public opinion. Your average american believes that capitalism is the only pure form of government economy, and associates socialism with communism and fascism.
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. -- Margaret Thatcher It would be nice if you linked to your study, b/c its diff to know where your data comes from. But here is one study that says happiness is based upon, "Family, social and community networks that bring joy to one's life." (According to 2005 editorial, in the British Medical Journal authored by Dr. Tony Delamothe). http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/05/world-happiest-places-lifestyle-travel-world-happiest.html The other thing that makes this study suspect is that it was done by the UN. But in the US, there are about 1.2 million births every year to unwed mothers. That is a hard life, and I would like to know what it is in other countries. But I don't think the mothers of the 1.2 million per year would be really happy after a year of so.http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/data-reports/congress/tanft51.htm So you can see there has been a breakdown in the family unit (due to liberal policies, like welfare, etc.). The gov encourages childbirth by paying for it. Perhaps those are the unhappy people? Also, with US unemployment over 10%, lots of unhappy people there too. As for socialism, the basic issue is who do you want in charge of your life, you or the government. "It is man versus the state, or: individual rights versus totalitarian government -- which means: capitalism versus socialism." Ayn Rand The Founders of the US & authors of the Constitution, feared centralized government because it takes the power away from the states, and once gone, is just about impossible to get back. George Washington said "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master." That is a view many people share, and we are experiencing the truth of it today. Barry and the democrat party are governing by force. The majority of the people did not want the health-care bill, but they got it. We got central planning, and had a totalitarian solution. Socialism, at work from the US Congress. (There will be hell to pay this Nov when we have elections for congress.) "[T]he States can best govern our home concerns and the general government our foreign ones. I wish, therefore...never to see all offices transferred to Washington, where, further withdrawn from the eyes of the people, they may more secretly be bought and sold at market." -- Thomas Jefferson, author of Declaration of Independence, our founding document. If you are happy that is good. We should all be free to choose how we live, and the maximum amount of freedom to do that is capitalism.
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One of your own -- Rupert bloody Murdoch -- has about 99% to do with this. There's a lot of right wing lies and propaganda passing for news. People are deliberately misinformed.
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The answer is simple. The political right in America needs to ADMIT there is a problem with wealth distribution in America. Like a drug addict or an alcoholic, they need to ADMIT that the market, when left alone, does EXACTLY what Karl Marx said it would. It creates monopoly power in just a few. Once admitted, the solution needs to be something other than social transfer payments. They need to influence the market to distribute fairly. One way would be to give tax incentives to companies to pay DOMESTIC employees more, and stop OUTSOURCING. There are other ways. But will our democracy ever get this right? Friends, after what we've seen over the last decade, I think the answer is clear. No way.
I asked the question why Socialist countries are surveyed as the happiest in the world, and I got this response: "So you admit Obama is a Socialist and violating is Oath of office by changing the country? Anyhow, Denmark along with the Netherlands are a Democracy, and Constitutional Monarchy! Here is a CURRENT list of socialist countries and I'm sure they would argue with your uneducated question/statement. The People's Republic of China Cuba North Korea...you can't tell me those people are happy! Vietnam" Okay, This is what I find extremely strange? Because those countries are Communist. I live in Australia, which elected the Australian Labor Party which has it's official ideology is Democratic Socialism. Norway is under the Norwegian Labor Party which also has it's official ideology as Socialism. (It's also the second wealthiest country in the world, after Luxembourg) Spain, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, Italy, South Africa, Japan, Luxembourg are also under Socialist governments. Along with dozens of other Socialist governments. Communism and Socialism are related, But Communism is an extreme ideology that I don't approve of, and I don't think works at all. But whenever an American thinks of the world socialism, they think of some tyrannical authoratian rule? You can do whatever you want in Australia, you just have to pay higher taxes. I come from a middle/upper-class family, and I very much enjoy my life, I don't directly benefit from Socialism. (except from having better schools, hospitals, roads, healthcare, less income inequality, less poverty and less homeless people) I just believe it's ridiculous that people can make $45,000,000 a year sitting behind a desk in some corporation. Whilst some people don't even have a bed to sleep in. And im not saying people shouldnt be allowed to make $45,000,000. They should just be taxed far higher and that money should be distributed to those who have none. And Socialism doesnt make people lazy, Australias unemployment rate is half that of the USA. So you can't say Socialism makes people lazy and leech off welfare, it just helps close the gap between the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor. And, since almost every country is socialist now. There are very poor socialist countries (Venuzuela), and the two richest countries in the world are also socialist (Norway, Luxembourg). So I dont think it has much to do with overall wealth, more so of just how that wealth is distributed within that society. _____________________ The United States has one of the widest rich-poor gaps of any high-income nation today, and that gap continues to grow. In recent times, some prominent economists including Alan Greenspan have warned that the widening rich-poor gap in the U.S. population is a problem that could undermine and destabilize the country's economy and standard of living stating that "The income gap between the rich and the rest of the US population has become so wide, and is growing so fast, that it might eventually threaten the stability of democratic capitalism itself". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living_in_the_United_States
Politics - 25 Answers
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1 :
We got a saying around here.... 'Get used to it Hitler.' Now stop crying.
2 :
Define happiness. and ya don't see a lot of happy people these days with this stupid, controlling and Marxist commie HC bill, now do ya?
3 :
Republican brain washing runs deeply in the country.
4 :
Why do you care? Stop trying to change politics here. We are too smart for you. If you want to run Australia into the ground then by all means GO AT IT! But leave us Americans alone. Many Americans have come from socialist countries and know what it's like. How the hell do you accurately measure "happiness" anyways? Sounds like a load of Bullsh!t.
5 :
You wrote: "And im not saying people shouldnt be allowed to make $45,000,000. They should just be taxed far higher and that money should be distributed to those who have none." No they f*cking shouldn't be taxed at a higher rate. No money should be [re]distributed.
6 :
The way I see it, socialism should be like religion. You're either socialist or you don't want to be. Most Americans don't want to be. Most Australians do. I don't see any problems.
7 :
boy oh boy oh boy oh boy... YOU'RE gunna end up with more people who hate you than I have people who hate me ... for having an Aussie Opinion on Anything American... BUT ... It's ok .. I am sure you've come across enough US citizens who are more knowledgeable ... some DO know the difference.. some will agree with you .. BUT there's gunna be a hell of a lot that will take offense Good Luck :)
8 :
Americans do not actually understand that what we label as the left is actually in the center of the world political view.
9 :
Go you for being informative. Thanks for all the facts :) Bad capitalist examples exist. Does anyone remember ZAIRE?
10 :
Leftover fears from the Cold War. Anything socialist or communist was the enemy and needed to be destroyed. That's why Americans never held their government responsible for the atrocities they funded and committed in South America under Reagan.
11 :
Daniel, you are a fool. I think it covers it all after hussein's closest adviser al sharp-thong statement that "Americans have overwhelmingly voted for socialism", and after Demon-c-RAT John Dingle stated the next urgent goal of his fuhrer's administration - "TO CONTROL PEOPLE". May dear Lord give you, hussein soturo and his goons ALL they and YOU so richly deserve...
12 :
it goes back to the 1920's when propaganda caused people to hate "reds" by the way, there are no existing communist countries in the world, NKorea, China, and Cuba are Socialist Republics, with communist parties in power
13 :
Because we are suppose to be free to do what we want as long as we don't hurt a person while doing it. I am a Libertarian. I oppose socialism because there is no freedom in it. Plus it is bankrupting Greece. http://www.lp.org/
14 :
Socialism ends up wasting money, its starting to crush Europe even Spain is in trouble
15 :
Simply because the following people were strong, passionate supporter of socialism (just like the president and his gang) Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Sadam Hussein, Karl Marx...should I go on?
16 :
While I certainly agree with most of your claims. I am not a wide socialist in that view. I don't like the wealthy upper classes being in command while the poorer classes suffer. But I don't like the government in all our private lives and that tends to happen in Socialism. Also I don't believe in giving money to people who are poor simply because they refuse to work. If someone say has been laid off and is actively seeking work then sure he can file for monetary help. But some socialist theology is everyone get wealthy and do no work. I firmly believe in work for what you get and have a strong work ethic while enjoying freedom from big government. Again many Socialist theology I agree with, I just don't believe in government everyone and giving out money to everyone even if they don't work for anything.
17 :
Socialism is an economic and/or social system. Communism/Democracy/Monarchy/Republic/etc. is a governmental system. Most of Europe is Socialist-Capitalist. Their economic drivers are Capitalist. Their Social systems are Socialist. The US is a Capitalist society with a Constitutional Republic as a government system. Different countries have different ways of doing things. Trying to compare a country like the US with say, France is ridiculous. The sheer difference in population diversity in the US, combined with the numbers of citizens is so vastly different. Not to mention the massive amounts of money we spend on things like defense that many of those other countries just don't have to. Tell me, what's Norway's Army been doing lately? Or Luxembourg's? Trying to compare the US with any other country is impossible. The best way to compare it would be to say, take all of Europe and add in North Africa and half of the Middle East. And then come up with a system of functioning. GO!
18 :
Well you've got to remember that the American public at large is rather ignorant, in the 50's and the 60's we had "better red then dead" slogans and we've been bred to see things in a certain way, unfortunately with the Red-neck right wing the minute you talk about "sharing" or "spreading the wealth" to help less fortunate of course! They will scrounge what they can from there voter base and attempt to stop anything that would help people in bad economic situations, and sadly enough its all older white men, but i digress, back to socialism, the system itself for socialism is quite effective if you look at other social countries such as you've noted, unfortunately most americans fail to see this and will cling to older beliefs in an attempt to stop any form of change, also i might add that people from the european (and in your case based from Britain) countries you've got more a lean toward what we americans would refer to as "liberal" and the "left" even the most "Conservative" from Britain and australia would be either leaning left or "liberal" in the US, we have this foolish voter base of ignorant Christians and Red-necks who want things to stay the way they are even when they are inherently broken! One thing id love to mention i show the right wing spouts "SOCIALISM!!!! OMG!!!" like its a plague or something, Obama is in-fact somewhat close to socialistic in ideology, but this IS NOT a bad thing!!!! most people just don't get it, as long as the government is regulated to within certain rights and taxes are a bit higher, does that truly matter if your supplied with health care? and people being helped by the government to have better lives? I understand the fears of "1984" which have been brought up in many circumstances, but this does not make it true, most the things we hear about in america when the media refers to countries with "socialized medicine" is bullshit that the Right wing happens to push.
19 :
Why do socialists demand access to everything and accept responsibility for nothing? You say that you are from a relatively wealthy stratum of society. Your words would be more impressive if you'd been born in a ghetto and become a successful professional. You are what people call a "champagne socialist." Tony Blair and Anthony Wedgwood Benn of the British Labour Party were too. If one has no fear of losing ones own security, one can afford to be magnanimous toward "the poor." Working people, who suffer from taxation, are acutely aware of neighbours who live off the dole. That is why conservatism is by no means limited to the upper classes, and that is why Margaret Thatcher was so successful. Lastly, socialism is closely identified with trade unionism - an institution that long ago had validity but today is no more than legalized extortion. In reality, Unions are corporations in the advocacy business and whatever gains they make for their members, they always make greater gains for themselves. Other than that, I think socialism is just peachy.
20 :
Socialism and its nastier sister Communism have never been successful anywhere. ONLY a Market based Economy-capitalism(where there's incentive to develop and take risks...) with limited government intervention such as the USA have been successful. The USA, contrary popular belief is NOT a Democracy, but is in fact a Constitutional Republic. Let's get back to the Constitution specifically, the 10th Amendment on clarity on how Obama and botox woman overstepped the amendment and created Tyranny of The Majority.
21 :
Hard facts about the EU vs USA http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf The Sweden Myth http://mises.org/daily/2259 Those are the facts. “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.†Winston Churchill
22 :
As some others have pointed out, the USA has been a capitalist hegemony since the early 90's, and ceaseless anti-socialist propaganda has removed almost all traces of political openness from the public opinion. Your average american believes that capitalism is the only pure form of government economy, and associates socialism with communism and fascism.
23 :
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. -- Margaret Thatcher It would be nice if you linked to your study, b/c its diff to know where your data comes from. But here is one study that says happiness is based upon, "Family, social and community networks that bring joy to one's life." (According to 2005 editorial, in the British Medical Journal authored by Dr. Tony Delamothe). http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/05/world-happiest-places-lifestyle-travel-world-happiest.html The other thing that makes this study suspect is that it was done by the UN. But in the US, there are about 1.2 million births every year to unwed mothers. That is a hard life, and I would like to know what it is in other countries. But I don't think the mothers of the 1.2 million per year would be really happy after a year of so.http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/data-reports/congress/tanft51.htm So you can see there has been a breakdown in the family unit (due to liberal policies, like welfare, etc.). The gov encourages childbirth by paying for it. Perhaps those are the unhappy people? Also, with US unemployment over 10%, lots of unhappy people there too. As for socialism, the basic issue is who do you want in charge of your life, you or the government. "It is man versus the state, or: individual rights versus totalitarian government -- which means: capitalism versus socialism." Ayn Rand The Founders of the US & authors of the Constitution, feared centralized government because it takes the power away from the states, and once gone, is just about impossible to get back. George Washington said "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master." That is a view many people share, and we are experiencing the truth of it today. Barry and the democrat party are governing by force. The majority of the people did not want the health-care bill, but they got it. We got central planning, and had a totalitarian solution. Socialism, at work from the US Congress. (There will be hell to pay this Nov when we have elections for congress.) "[T]he States can best govern our home concerns and the general government our foreign ones. I wish, therefore...never to see all offices transferred to Washington, where, further withdrawn from the eyes of the people, they may more secretly be bought and sold at market." -- Thomas Jefferson, author of Declaration of Independence, our founding document. If you are happy that is good. We should all be free to choose how we live, and the maximum amount of freedom to do that is capitalism.
24 :
One of your own -- Rupert bloody Murdoch -- has about 99% to do with this. There's a lot of right wing lies and propaganda passing for news. People are deliberately misinformed.
25 :
The answer is simple. The political right in America needs to ADMIT there is a problem with wealth distribution in America. Like a drug addict or an alcoholic, they need to ADMIT that the market, when left alone, does EXACTLY what Karl Marx said it would. It creates monopoly power in just a few. Once admitted, the solution needs to be something other than social transfer payments. They need to influence the market to distribute fairly. One way would be to give tax incentives to companies to pay DOMESTIC employees more, and stop OUTSOURCING. There are other ways. But will our democracy ever get this right? Friends, after what we've seen over the last decade, I think the answer is clear. No way.
Saturday, August 7, 2010
What do Americans, and illegal aliens think of this?
What do Americans, and illegal aliens think of this?
Here is a REAL INTERVIEW with an illegal Mexican at a protest march in Texas. Below is a good example of a discussion with a master of circular logic. Don't be logical, don't respect the truth or your adversary, just say what you think makes a new case when the previous case gets too difficult to defend. On the streets of downtown Houston, May 1, 2006. Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station: Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are marching in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is your cause and what do you expect to accomplish by this protest? Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are. We will bring Houston to its knees! Jim: What rights? Juan: Our right to live here legally. Our right to get all the benefits you get. Jim: When did you come to the United States? Juan: Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with seven other friends. Jim: Why did you come? Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in Mexico. Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will have the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico! Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you came? Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a right to amnesty I paid lots of money for my Social Security and Green Cards. Jim: How did you acquire those documents? Juan: From a guy in Dallas. He charged me a lot of money too. Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged? Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work. Jim: What is the "right" you speak of? Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read it! Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it saying anything about rights for Aliens. Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights, like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico, so I came here. Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence and that document speaks to unalienable rights .. Not Alien rights. Juan: Whatever. Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then are you carrying a Mexican Flag? Juan: Because I am Mexican. Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty to become a US citizen. Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its rightful owner. Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas. After wining the war with Mexico, Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the USA. It was not stolen from Mexico. Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California, New Mexico and Arizona It is just like all the other stuff you Gringos steal, like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves. Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies? Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China. I see them all over the place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans out. How is this fair? Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then. Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has a right to live, work, and speak their native language wherever and whenever they please. That's another thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in Spanish . Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in Houston will speak Spanish than English. It is our right! Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper documentation, what rights would I have there? Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different. Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live wherever they please Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in Mexico. Why would you want to go there anyway? There is no free medical service, schools, or welfare there for foreigners such as you. You cannot even own land in my country. Stay in the country of your birth. Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue. Thank you for your comments. Juan: Viva Mexico! Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to every representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be "redistributed" to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of the "fray". Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one........ The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean something, however, hasn't even begun. It is an illegal alien tactic to call an American a racist just because we want to our immigration laws abided by. The loser who called me a racist, must know more about being one than I do. I welcome legal immigrant's, just not those aliens who come to steal, and break our laws. That isn't love of country, is it?
Immigration - 18 Answers
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1 :
The language used by "Juan" in this alleged interview transcript is so transparently fake that either "Juan" was an actor who had memorized Republican talking points on immigration or the whole interview simply never happened; that is, this is a fake. I'm voting for "fake"; this is so amateurish that it sounds like it was made by one of the teenage Republican pod people who frequent Yahoo Answers. Nice try, troll.
2 :
What is your point? That there are ignorant illegals coming maybe they can join forces here with our homegrown ignorant know it alls. Surely you must know that not all illegal Mexicans are this ignorant. Further instead of spending so much to keep them out maybe we should work with their government to improve conditions there. If situation reversed I think I might walk the desert to feed my family. We should hold the employers more accountable and make it more expensive after the fines than finding legal immigrants or US citizens to work and then it would stop. If no one hired them here they would not come. As to the economic drain on our social policies we should not allow them to use them. It is that simple. Even so I wonder how much money we get from the illegals who pay social security and never use it in order to work in this country.
3 :
it is time for every American to stand up and defend our country from the invaders that are crossing our borders. and if any one thinks it is not invasion then what would you call 12 million people sneaking in like thieves in the night to disrupt our way of life? make no mistake it is an invasion and since our government won't do anything it is up to us.
4 :
You get idiots everywhere. look at our presidential candidates
5 :
I know illegal aliens, and they don't talk, act, or think like that. They work 14 hour days without food for their families and they hope they can receive amnesty. They respect American rights and they are trying to learn English (and succeeding) so singling out 1 bad apply means -nothing- to any open minded person.
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Are you kidding us? Was thet really real or what? I have seen that attitude but never heard it spoken so directly, so I do find this a little hard to believe. If you have a link please post it I would like to pass this to a few friends because they will get a kick out of it. One of the friends is debating the immigration issue in her college class and this should help to keep it interesting. i will not forward it without a link to give me a way to check it's truth in reporting.
7 :
this has been posted here before....proven that the interview never took place funny you didnt post your sources....reeeeal funny nice try though 8-)
8 :
That about sums it up, sad but true, even it is not a real interview it has all the elements of truth
9 :
I just wonder why the reporter did not "report" Juan to police, so he would get arrested and deported back to Mexico? I would do that in a heart beat...
10 :
Friends----we are being invaded against our will-----the will of the people is quite clear-----we overwhelmingly want our current laws ENFORCED.------we need to pound this into our senators and rep's of the house over and over until they get the idea.....last time this hit the senate floor we kept their switchboards buzzing with faxes and phone calls---------SPEAK OUT.
11 :
I have a friend living in Houston. She says they get even more financial breaks due to the Dream Act. Until the government of USA believes in CITIZENS FIRST, this country won't have anything to brag about. ^
12 :
I don't think this is a real interview (there's no way an illegal is this outspoken and speaks proper English)...but it's a good summary of why illegals should be thrown out.
13 :
What I think: It sounds pretty real to me.
14 :
Well not that I doubt conversations go on like this but... This alleged interview seems made up by someone. The Jim Moore that worked for the Houston station quit working for it in 1999. And they (KHOU-TV) have denied every airing this interview.
15 :
Immigration these days is really a hot topic. We all have opinions, solutions, or simply, don't give a damn. One thing I have to tell you, there is hate and racism growing fast, and your question is proof of that. That conversation is totally fake. I didn't have to read more that five lines to know that.
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Real interview or not, it does seem to represent the attitude of what I've seen and heard for La Raza.etc. They are about to be deported and are clutching at straws to prevent that. It's too bad that not all Americans are ready to hand over the keys to their homes and vehicles, we won't allow such a small faction of illegals to knot up our way of life. I'm more than ready to fight for secure borders and deportation of all illegal invaders.
17 :
Fiction or non-fiction, this seems to sum up the attitude of illegal aliens and their in-your-face you can't stop us rants.
18 :
First of all let me say that my remarks are not aimed at all immigrants to the US. We have some very fine people here from other lands who have come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and I respect them. After all the only true Americans who started life in this country and never left for any foreign shore are the American Indians or Native Americans. All the rest of us are in fact aliens. What angers me is the ones who come here and exercise absolutely no effort to become a part of this great nation. They want food stamps, tax breaks, education for their children, a place to live, a share of the social security, health benefits and freedom to do as they damn well please without paying the ante of learning English, serving this country in the armed forces and paying taxes . I don't know if this interview is real or not and I really don't give a damn. But it does give a good example of the things the real Americans( black, white hispanic, asian, and all others) have to deal with immediately. Strict immigration laws must be passed and enforced and all illegals currently in the US should be deported without prejudice. IMMEDIATELY. Without it our country faces destruction as we know it. I've paid my dues. It's time for those who want to live in this great country to pay theirs.
Here is a REAL INTERVIEW with an illegal Mexican at a protest march in Texas. Below is a good example of a discussion with a master of circular logic. Don't be logical, don't respect the truth or your adversary, just say what you think makes a new case when the previous case gets too difficult to defend. On the streets of downtown Houston, May 1, 2006. Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station: Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are marching in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is your cause and what do you expect to accomplish by this protest? Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are. We will bring Houston to its knees! Jim: What rights? Juan: Our right to live here legally. Our right to get all the benefits you get. Jim: When did you come to the United States? Juan: Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with seven other friends. Jim: Why did you come? Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in Mexico. Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will have the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico! Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you came? Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a right to amnesty I paid lots of money for my Social Security and Green Cards. Jim: How did you acquire those documents? Juan: From a guy in Dallas. He charged me a lot of money too. Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged? Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work. Jim: What is the "right" you speak of? Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read it! Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it saying anything about rights for Aliens. Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights, like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico, so I came here. Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence and that document speaks to unalienable rights .. Not Alien rights. Juan: Whatever. Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then are you carrying a Mexican Flag? Juan: Because I am Mexican. Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty to become a US citizen. Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its rightful owner. Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas. After wining the war with Mexico, Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the USA. It was not stolen from Mexico. Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California, New Mexico and Arizona It is just like all the other stuff you Gringos steal, like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves. Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies? Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China. I see them all over the place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans out. How is this fair? Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then. Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has a right to live, work, and speak their native language wherever and whenever they please. That's another thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in Spanish . Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in Houston will speak Spanish than English. It is our right! Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper documentation, what rights would I have there? Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different. Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live wherever they please Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in Mexico. Why would you want to go there anyway? There is no free medical service, schools, or welfare there for foreigners such as you. You cannot even own land in my country. Stay in the country of your birth. Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue. Thank you for your comments. Juan: Viva Mexico! Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to every representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be "redistributed" to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of the "fray". Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one........ The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean something, however, hasn't even begun. It is an illegal alien tactic to call an American a racist just because we want to our immigration laws abided by. The loser who called me a racist, must know more about being one than I do. I welcome legal immigrant's, just not those aliens who come to steal, and break our laws. That isn't love of country, is it?
Immigration - 18 Answers
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1 :
The language used by "Juan" in this alleged interview transcript is so transparently fake that either "Juan" was an actor who had memorized Republican talking points on immigration or the whole interview simply never happened; that is, this is a fake. I'm voting for "fake"; this is so amateurish that it sounds like it was made by one of the teenage Republican pod people who frequent Yahoo Answers. Nice try, troll.
2 :
What is your point? That there are ignorant illegals coming maybe they can join forces here with our homegrown ignorant know it alls. Surely you must know that not all illegal Mexicans are this ignorant. Further instead of spending so much to keep them out maybe we should work with their government to improve conditions there. If situation reversed I think I might walk the desert to feed my family. We should hold the employers more accountable and make it more expensive after the fines than finding legal immigrants or US citizens to work and then it would stop. If no one hired them here they would not come. As to the economic drain on our social policies we should not allow them to use them. It is that simple. Even so I wonder how much money we get from the illegals who pay social security and never use it in order to work in this country.
3 :
it is time for every American to stand up and defend our country from the invaders that are crossing our borders. and if any one thinks it is not invasion then what would you call 12 million people sneaking in like thieves in the night to disrupt our way of life? make no mistake it is an invasion and since our government won't do anything it is up to us.
4 :
You get idiots everywhere. look at our presidential candidates
5 :
I know illegal aliens, and they don't talk, act, or think like that. They work 14 hour days without food for their families and they hope they can receive amnesty. They respect American rights and they are trying to learn English (and succeeding) so singling out 1 bad apply means -nothing- to any open minded person.
6 :
Are you kidding us? Was thet really real or what? I have seen that attitude but never heard it spoken so directly, so I do find this a little hard to believe. If you have a link please post it I would like to pass this to a few friends because they will get a kick out of it. One of the friends is debating the immigration issue in her college class and this should help to keep it interesting. i will not forward it without a link to give me a way to check it's truth in reporting.
7 :
this has been posted here before....proven that the interview never took place funny you didnt post your sources....reeeeal funny nice try though 8-)
8 :
That about sums it up, sad but true, even it is not a real interview it has all the elements of truth
9 :
I just wonder why the reporter did not "report" Juan to police, so he would get arrested and deported back to Mexico? I would do that in a heart beat...
10 :
Friends----we are being invaded against our will-----the will of the people is quite clear-----we overwhelmingly want our current laws ENFORCED.------we need to pound this into our senators and rep's of the house over and over until they get the idea.....last time this hit the senate floor we kept their switchboards buzzing with faxes and phone calls---------SPEAK OUT.
11 :
I have a friend living in Houston. She says they get even more financial breaks due to the Dream Act. Until the government of USA believes in CITIZENS FIRST, this country won't have anything to brag about. ^
12 :
I don't think this is a real interview (there's no way an illegal is this outspoken and speaks proper English)...but it's a good summary of why illegals should be thrown out.
13 :
What I think: It sounds pretty real to me.
14 :
Well not that I doubt conversations go on like this but... This alleged interview seems made up by someone. The Jim Moore that worked for the Houston station quit working for it in 1999. And they (KHOU-TV) have denied every airing this interview.
15 :
Immigration these days is really a hot topic. We all have opinions, solutions, or simply, don't give a damn. One thing I have to tell you, there is hate and racism growing fast, and your question is proof of that. That conversation is totally fake. I didn't have to read more that five lines to know that.
16 :
Real interview or not, it does seem to represent the attitude of what I've seen and heard for La Raza.etc. They are about to be deported and are clutching at straws to prevent that. It's too bad that not all Americans are ready to hand over the keys to their homes and vehicles, we won't allow such a small faction of illegals to knot up our way of life. I'm more than ready to fight for secure borders and deportation of all illegal invaders.
17 :
Fiction or non-fiction, this seems to sum up the attitude of illegal aliens and their in-your-face you can't stop us rants.
18 :
First of all let me say that my remarks are not aimed at all immigrants to the US. We have some very fine people here from other lands who have come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and I respect them. After all the only true Americans who started life in this country and never left for any foreign shore are the American Indians or Native Americans. All the rest of us are in fact aliens. What angers me is the ones who come here and exercise absolutely no effort to become a part of this great nation. They want food stamps, tax breaks, education for their children, a place to live, a share of the social security, health benefits and freedom to do as they damn well please without paying the ante of learning English, serving this country in the armed forces and paying taxes . I don't know if this interview is real or not and I really don't give a damn. But it does give a good example of the things the real Americans( black, white hispanic, asian, and all others) have to deal with immediately. Strict immigration laws must be passed and enforced and all illegals currently in the US should be deported without prejudice. IMMEDIATELY. Without it our country faces destruction as we know it. I've paid my dues. It's time for those who want to live in this great country to pay theirs.
Sunday, August 1, 2010
Whats your position on ACTA?
Whats your position on ACTA?
Heres an excerpt: ACTA is an abbreviation for the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement. It is an International Treaty that will be pushed to implementation by 2010. It has been discussed in secret since October 2007, and has been leaked by government officials who were against the unconstitutional, ineffective, inhumane, and unlawful nature of such a treaty. Countries affected by this treaty include but are not limited to: Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, The Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland and the United States The official goal of the agreement is the international enforcement of strong intellectual property rights. Some of our concerns include the vague, amorphous manner in which “counterfeit†is used in many of the public comments. These uses run the gamut from undisputedly illegal products to expressly legitimate generic products. We believe that ACTA holds the potential to restrict innovation, consumer choice and freedom on the Internet by it's many restrictions and its changes to the legal front on copyrights. The scope of ACTA includes counterfeit goods, generic medicines, Internet censorship, irrational new downloading laws and what is termed "piracy over the Internet". ACTA is a treaty, which would overcome many court precedents in your own country that defines consumer rights as to "fair use" and would remove any limitations on the application of intellectual property laws. This means that ACTA would overrule any laws in your own country, and deal harsher, unfair and ineffective punishment to anyone suspected of piracy, without a trial in court. If you are just suspected of listening to songs illegally, or uploading anything illegal, you may be dealt with harshly, against the laws of your own country. ACTA also makes Internet Service Providers legally responsible for any of it's users downloaded content. ACTA gives recording industries more rights to enforce copyrights and officers of the law the right to search any digital device for copyrighted material. Did you pay for the songs on your iPod? Under the new law, that instantly classifies you as a criminal, and the same classification as murderers and rapists. You will get a criminal record. Even if you do not download songs onto your iPod, you will feel the effects as millions, possibly billions of dollars in taxpayer's money will be poured in to catch these "criminals", money that can be used to save lives. Part of ACTA deems anyone accused of copyright infringement to "compensate" for the loss in profit to recording companies. They want harsher punishments for these criminals. These recording companies, such as UMG, earn upwards of $1 billion in 2009. However, the RIAA (Recording Industries Association of America) recently sued a 12 year old girl for downloading, as well as many other people. They are seeking $150 000 per song, on allofmp3.com[1]. How much harsher will they go? Isn't there a point where they must stop?
Law & Ethics - 1 Answers
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I think the ACTA is fair.
Heres an excerpt: ACTA is an abbreviation for the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement. It is an International Treaty that will be pushed to implementation by 2010. It has been discussed in secret since October 2007, and has been leaked by government officials who were against the unconstitutional, ineffective, inhumane, and unlawful nature of such a treaty. Countries affected by this treaty include but are not limited to: Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, The Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland and the United States The official goal of the agreement is the international enforcement of strong intellectual property rights. Some of our concerns include the vague, amorphous manner in which “counterfeit†is used in many of the public comments. These uses run the gamut from undisputedly illegal products to expressly legitimate generic products. We believe that ACTA holds the potential to restrict innovation, consumer choice and freedom on the Internet by it's many restrictions and its changes to the legal front on copyrights. The scope of ACTA includes counterfeit goods, generic medicines, Internet censorship, irrational new downloading laws and what is termed "piracy over the Internet". ACTA is a treaty, which would overcome many court precedents in your own country that defines consumer rights as to "fair use" and would remove any limitations on the application of intellectual property laws. This means that ACTA would overrule any laws in your own country, and deal harsher, unfair and ineffective punishment to anyone suspected of piracy, without a trial in court. If you are just suspected of listening to songs illegally, or uploading anything illegal, you may be dealt with harshly, against the laws of your own country. ACTA also makes Internet Service Providers legally responsible for any of it's users downloaded content. ACTA gives recording industries more rights to enforce copyrights and officers of the law the right to search any digital device for copyrighted material. Did you pay for the songs on your iPod? Under the new law, that instantly classifies you as a criminal, and the same classification as murderers and rapists. You will get a criminal record. Even if you do not download songs onto your iPod, you will feel the effects as millions, possibly billions of dollars in taxpayer's money will be poured in to catch these "criminals", money that can be used to save lives. Part of ACTA deems anyone accused of copyright infringement to "compensate" for the loss in profit to recording companies. They want harsher punishments for these criminals. These recording companies, such as UMG, earn upwards of $1 billion in 2009. However, the RIAA (Recording Industries Association of America) recently sued a 12 year old girl for downloading, as well as many other people. They are seeking $150 000 per song, on allofmp3.com[1]. How much harsher will they go? Isn't there a point where they must stop?
Law & Ethics - 1 Answers
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I think the ACTA is fair.
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